Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: MRO to Xerxes on Thu Jun 16 2022 04:15 pm

Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Xerxes to MRO on Thu Jun 16 2022 10:04 am

He (Barry Altman) did die after all this, yes, back in 2012 and it fell apart right afterwords. I had a C64x case and it was really nice, I am curious what they would have come up with. Aside from the C64x their oth stuff was mostly over-priced OEM computers they stuck a Commodore or Amig logo on (well that and a Commodore themed Linux distro).

i know another sysop who got just the case.

i still have the commodoreOS isos. it's not worth using.

Case capacity would limit off the shelf computing options. Since the case exists as a kit, people have been building systems, however they are by no means high end regarding regular use, let alone modrn gaming machines.

I was considering going this route, then saw the TheC64 full sized console appear on the market.

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Doorway was another favourite of mine as well. Desqview and QEMM were pretty awesome too. :-)

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Doorway was another favourite of mine as well. Desqview and QEMM
were pretty awesome too. :-)

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Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)

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The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)

Qedit is/was not a "DOS BBS Program", which is what you asked about.
Qedit is a DOS text editor. Your response/answer is disqualified and
thrown out.


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It sounds like you run Dovenet too. :-P

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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Gamgee to The Millionaire on Mon Jun 20 2022 06:59 pm

Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)

Qedit is/was not a "DOS BBS Program", which is what you asked about. Qedit is a DOS text editor. Your response/answer is disqualified and thrown out.

Maybe he meant QuikEdit, which was a BBS full-screen message editor: https://bit.ly/3OsaxR7
Full link: http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=bbsfi le_dos_chat&file=QEDIT240.ZIP

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It sounds like you run Dovenet too. :-P

I don't know what you're talking about, since you don't know how to
quote context when replying.



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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Qedit was another one that I used a lot too. :-)

Qedit is/was not a "DOS BBS Program", which is what you asked about.
Qedit is a DOS text editor. Your response/answer is disqualified and thrown out.

Maybe he meant QuikEdit, which was a BBS full-screen message
editor: https://bit.ly/3OsaxR7

Well, hard to say when we're talking about TM. I would think if
somebody meant "QuikEdit", they'd say "QuikEdit".



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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue Jun 21 2022 07:38 am

Well, hard to say when we're talking about TM. I would think if
somebody meant "QuikEdit", they'd say "QuikEdit".

Yeah. The zip filename does start with "QEEDIT" though. So, I don't know..

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I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Tue Jun 21 2022 12:03 pm

I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.

I used to use that a lot too.

Nightfox

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The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor
for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.

Yes, I know that. I was correcting your mistake though: Qedit was
*NOT* a "DOS BBS program" as called out in your subject line. It was/is
a (multi-purpose) DOS text editor.



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On 21 Jun 2022, Gamgee said the following...

The Millionaire wrote to Gamgee <=-

It sounds like you run Dovenet too. :-P

I don't know what you're talking about, since you don't know how to
quote context when replying.

i think he's pointing out your awful attitude

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jun 21 2022 01:37 pm

I loved RAHIST. A history addon. Did you ever use that one?

RABIR was a birthday addon. Very colorful.

No, I didn't use those.

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On 6/21/2022 15:55, Gamgee wrote:

The Millionaire wrote to All <=-

TM> I was talking about qedit by semware. It was a great text editor
TM> for dos that I used with editing BBS text files.

Yes, I know that. I was correcting your mistake though: Qedit was
*NOT* a "DOS BBS program" as called out in your subject line. It was/is
a (multi-purpose) DOS text editor.

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Seriously, what do you expect to accomplish with this?

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On 6/14/22 14:07, DaiTengu wrote:

If the author can't be found or contacted though, it would be
difficult to register the software..

correct. But if the author suddenly appeared after 30 years of not
being able to be reached, they could demand payment and would likely
win litigation over it.

Worth noting, the most they would get is the actual damages (cost to register), unless you're distributing the crack/key.

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sure your real identity is shielded from anything related or pointing to
said server.
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On 6/15/22 06:14, DaiTengu wrote:

If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for
the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life
+ 70 years"

Don't remember where I first read it, but someone had the idea of
allowing copyright to never expire... Basically, you get the first 15
years free (original term, but no cost, by default like now)... but to
get any more, you pay $xx at 15 years, and it doubles every N years.

So if it's worth you to keep paying a doubling amount (potentially
millions a year), then it's probably okay to keep it under copyright.

So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.

After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and it becomes cost prohibitive.

One year after previous registration expires, public domain.
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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Tracker1 to DaiTengu on Tue Jun 21 2022 02:02 pm

Best use a VPS in Amsterdam, where US copyright doesn't apply and make
sure your real identity is shielded from anything related or pointing to said server.

if anybody threatens to sue me i just warn with a promise of credible physical violence.
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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Tracker1 to DaiTengu on Tue Jun 21 2022 02:15 pm

On 6/15/22 06:14, DaiTengu wrote:

If I was to advocate for anything, it'd be a much shorter duration for the expiration of software copyrights than the current "author's life
+ 70 years"

Don't remember where I first read it, but someone had the idea of
allowing copyright to never expire... Basically, you get the first 15
years free (original term, but no cost, by default like now)... but to
get any more, you pay $xx at 15 years, and it doubles every N years.

So if it's worth you to keep paying a doubling amount (potentially
millions a year), then it's probably okay to keep it under copyright.

So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.

After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and it becomes cost prohibitive.

i'm sure this would give disney a huge erection.
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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Wed Jun 22 2022 03:26 am

So if it's worth you to keep paying a doubling amount (potentially
millions a year), then it's probably okay to keep it under copyright.

So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.
After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and
it becomes cost prohibitive.

i'm sure this would give disney a huge erection.

Dunno, Disney's last payment would have had to have been $655 Million for Mickey Mouse's copyright with those figures. Next year they'd owe $1.3 billion.
that $1.3 billion figure is nearly 2% of their 2021 net revenue, and over 5% of their gross profits.

and that's JUST for Mickey Mouse. each work (short/movie/tv episode/book/comic) requires its own copyright.

For instance, Winnie the Pooh is now public domain. However, Tigger is not until Jan 1, 2024 (the same time Mickey Mouse's copyright expires) since he didn't appear in a book until 1928.

Disney would hate this. It would likely bankrupt them to hold on to character copyrights for more than 50 years (around $10 million).

Comic book copyrights would also be a nightmare. Each "first appearance" comic would need to have its copright extended. While DC is owned by Warner Bros. and Marvel is owned by Disney, There are tons of smaller and independant comic publishers out there.

For example, Todd McFarlane created Spawn in 1992. This year, he would have had to pay $40,000 to maintain the copyright, still a managable amount, but each version of the character, and each supporting character that was introduced in subsequent books over the next few year would require its own copyright. Not to mention characters that were co-created, do the co-creators split the fees?


It sounds like a nightmare.

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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Jun 22 2022 09:37 am

introduced in subsequent books over the next few year would require its own copyright. Not to mention characters that were co-created, do the co-creators split the fees?

It sounds like a nightmare.

it sounds like it would stifle creativity.
why create things if there are such penalties?

and what would they do with all the money from the copywrites?
can i be the guy that keeps the money?
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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jun 22 2022 09:33 am

Did anyone ever use Fmail? It was Fast Echomail Processor.

I used to with my RemoteAccess system, then Gecho, then I switched to FastEcho, and am still using it today.

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Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: The Millionaire to All on Wed Jun 22 2022 09:33 am

Did anyone ever use Fmail? It was Fast Echomail Processor.

I remember using that, at least at one point.

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Don't remember where I first read it, but someone had the idea of
allowing copyright to never expire... Basically, you get the first 15 years free (original term, but no cost, by default like now)... but to
get any more, you pay $xx at 15 years, and it doubles every N years.

That damn mouse ended up screwing up copyright law. Disney kept wanting to extend copyright on Mickey Mouse and lobbied for changes.


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That damn mouse ended up screwing up copyright law. Disney kept wanting
to extend copyright on Mickey Mouse and lobbied for changes.

If only there were some other intellectual property tool that allowed a corporation to protect a *mark* that they used in their *trade*au|

Instead the Rat has twisted copyright into a pardoy of it's original intent. Instead of encouraging creative authorship, it's become a way for corporations to rob the public domain for generations.

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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Grimpen to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Jun 24 2022 09:16 am

Instead the Rat has twisted copyright into a pardoy of it's original intent. Instead of encouraging creative authorship, it's become a way for corporations to rob the public domain for generations.

-Grimpen

i have fixed feelings about this.

who else should have superman? should anything other than disney have
micky mouse and everything?

is the public domain robbed of the ability to make knock off t-shirts?
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On 6/22/22 01:26, MRO wrote:

So, say Free 0-15
Then $10k after 15 years...
Then double every 5 years.

After 65 years, registration would be ~$10m... a few more decades and it
becomes cost prohibitive.

i'm sure this would give disney a huge erection.

Not really, I doubt they'd be willing to pay $1.2billion to renew
Steamboat Willie (first mickey mouse cartoon)... given it's like 100
years old now.
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On 6/22/22 10:36, MRO wrote:

Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Jun 22 2022 09:37 am

> introduced in subsequent books over the next few year would require its own
> copyright. Not to mention characters that were co-created, do the
> co-creators split the fees?
>
>
> It sounds like a nightmare.

it sounds like it would stifle creativity.
why create things if there are such penalties?

and what would they do with all the money from the copywrites?
can i be the guy that keeps the money?

*original* US Copyright was for 15 years with a single 15 year
extension... the pricing for that, that I proposed isn't so bad... it's
only *IF* someone wants to force it for longer than that... it would
also free up abandoned works much more quickly.
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Re: Re: Old DOS BBS Programs
By: Tracker1 to MRO on Wed Jul 06 2022 05:11 pm

On 6/22/22 01:26, MRO wrote:

this is like 3 weeks ago, dude.
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